Tag Archives: Orr

20 January

Some interesting ones today: my Yorkshire great grandfather Joseph Green, plus the illegitimate daughter of an Ayrshire ggg grandmother and a William Fraser from Aberdeenshire who needs more research.

20 January 1871 (born about 1821)
My half ggg aunt Jean Pollock was born in about 1821 at Irvine, according to the census, but no baptism has been found. She was the illegitimate daughter of my ggg grandmother Jean Orr who had been married to Joseph Haggerty, but Jean was born after Joseph had died. Jean’s father was called Robert Pollock. In 1841 Jean is in Irvine as a domestic servant to a cotton hand loom weaver, and then in 1844 she married John Richmond at Dundonald – he was a coal miner so probably worked at Shewalton Colliery. According to the birthplaces given for their children in the census, Jean and John were in Kilwinning for a couple of years, then went to Airdrie, Lanarkshire in 1848/49, moved back to Kilwinning by 1850, and were at Kenneth’s Row, Corsehill in 1851 with 4 children and a lodger (and lots of relatives as neighbours). They are still at Kenneth’s Row in 1861 with 8 children and a boarder. Jean Richmond nee Pollock died in January 1871 at Neil’s Land, Hurlford of pthithis (tuberculosis) at 50 years of age.

20 January 1866
Birth of William Fraser at Old Deer, son of my ggg uncle William Fraser and Barbara Cordiner and grandson of William Fraser and Christian Hutcheon. William is with his father and siblings in Kinknockie, Old Deer where his father was a master shoemaker employing a journeyman and an apprentice – on census night his mother was visiting her parents in Peterhead. At 15, in 1881, William is still at school and with his parents at Kinknockie. He then becomes a mystery as I can’t find him anywhere in the records, though I haven’t yet made an exhaustive search.

20 January 1868
Birth of my great grandfather Joseph Green at Worsbrough, Yorkshire, son of Joseph Green and Margaret Oxley. At the time of his birth, his parents were living in Worsbrough Common and his father was a cabinet maker. Joseph is with his parents in Green Row, Worsbrough Common in 1871, but the family had moved into Barnsley by 1881 and lived at Newton Street. In 1888 Joseph, by then also a cabinet maker, was married in Royston to Charlotte Senior, whose family came from Carlton near Royston. The Green family had family connections in Royston, which is possibly how Joseph and Charlotte met. Their first two children were baptised in Barnsley, with Joseph being described as a wagon joiner and a miner: I suspect he worked at a mine but was a carpenter, fixing and making wooden wagons. In 1891 he and Charlotte are at James Street, Barnsley in a small stone terrace house that still exists (I’ve driven past it and also seen it on Google street view). Their next two children was baptised at Mapplewell, to the north of Barnsley: Joseph was a cart repairer at a colliery and the family lived at Spark Lane. When their next child was baptised they were back in Barnsley, but in around 1899 they moved to Leeds and Joseph can be found on the electoral roll living at Hope Grove, Armley (a street that has since been demolished but which was next to Gott’s Park). The 1901 census finds Joseph, Charlotte and 7 children at Hope Grove with Joseph working as a carpenter and joiner. They then had 3 children baptised together in 1904: by then they were living at Stack Cottages, Abbey Road, Kirkstall and in 1905 Joseph is on the electoral roll in a dwelling house at Kirkstall Forge, Abbey Road. It would seem that he had taken a job at Kirkstall Forge, no doubt as a carpenter joiner. Kirkstall Forge was founded by the Cistercians monks of Kirkstall Abbey in the 13th century, so had a long history. The electoral roll then places Joseph and his family at 7 Vicarage Avenue, Kirkstall from 1906 – the houses that comprise the Vicarages were terraces that had been recently built as they are not on the 1895 Ordnance Survey map. By 1911, with more children having been born and the eldest now young adults, Joseph and family had moved to a larger house just round the corner on Station Parade, but were back at 7 Vicarage Avenue from 1915. During WW1 Joseph served in the Royal Engineers at Aldershot from 1917 to 1918 though he doesn’t seem to have enjoyed his time there, as his army record refers to him being disciplined for appearing on parade unshaved, appearing on parade with dirty equipment, and using insubordinate language to an NCO! He went before a medical board in 1918 and was declared unfit for further service. Sometime after 1921, with most of their children married and off their hands, Joseph and Charlotte moved to a house in the Cragsides, where the photograph of them in their garden was taken. Joseph died in 1925 age 57 of cancer of the throat. Widow Charlotte had, so my mother said, never really settled in the Cragsides and so moved back to the Vicarages. Photographs of Joseph Green can be found on this blog at http://wp.me/p34D39-hA

On 23 March

The software I use for my family trees has a useful find facility, so I thought seeing what had happened on today’s date might be interesting. It’s a good day for doing things that pass the time as there’s about a foot of snow outside – and it’s officially the third day of spring! I hope the weather was better on:

23 March 1806
Sarah Grist was baptised at Sprotborough, near Doncaster, South Yorkshire. In 1826 she married Thomas Oxley at Rotherham, although he came from Barnsley. In the 1841 census they can be found at Wortley Street, Barnsley, with 7 young children including Margaret, who went on to marry Joseph Green and became my great great grandmother. I don’t know much about Sarah Grist except that her parents were Henry and Ann Grist, and the 1841 census shows Henry age 65, an agricultural labourer living at Goldthorp and not born in Yorkshire. So that’s something to find out at some stage: where did Henry come from?

23 March 1860
Peter Orr, grandson of my gggg grandfather and the son of Mary Strachan, my first cousin 4 times removed, married Agnes Clark at Hurlford. Peter and Agnes went on to have 11 children, and Peter spent his whole life working as a coal miner in Hurlford. He was already a coal miner at the age of 13, when the 1851 census was taken, and he died a coal miner in 1899 at the age of 64. Having just finished sorting out my Haggerty ancestors, I’m wondering if Peter’s father James Orr was related to Jean Orr who married Joseph Haggerty. In close communities such as coal miners, and with people having large families, it must have been difficult to find someone you weren’t somehow related to.

23 March 1876
Catherine (Kate) Fraser, my half great great aunt, was born at Govan Brose, Causeway End, Aberdeen, to my great great grandfather Alexander Fraser and his second wife Margaret Booth. Catherine’s parents took over Mosside, the Fraser family croft near Hatton, when Catherine was about one year old. She worked as a domestic servant on farms until she married in 1895 at the age of 18 to Andrew Gibb Johnston, a farm servant. They moved to Aberdeen between 1901 and 1911 where Andrew worked as a carter for the railway. They had 6 children, and Catherine died in 1946 at the age of 70, in Aberdeen.